Burning Man takes anti-scalper and traffic control measures as tickets arrive

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Steven T. Jones

Most physical tickets to Burning Man were mailed out last week and, as many expected after a controversial ticket lottery with higher-than-expected demand, ticket scalpers were offering hundreds of tickets for more than double face value on websites such as eBay and StubHub. But Black Rock City LLC, the SF-based company that stages the event, over the weekend introduced some counter-measures to combat the scalpers and reiterated its request for burners to heed the culture's decommodification ethos and refuse to pay more than face value for tickets.

“I don't think any burner should buy a ticket for above face value,” Marian Goodell, the BRC board member who handles communications, told the Guardian. She said they've worked through the crisis of veteran burners – those who build much of Black Rock City's infrastructure each year – not getting tickets.

“It's sorting itself out, so I don't think people need to go to the StubHubs out there. They can ignore the scalpers,” she said.

BRC already canceled a secondary open sale of what was to be the final 10,000 tickets, instead selling them through established theme camps and art collectives, fairly effectively getting them out to most burners who wanted them. Then, in the wake of getting federal permits for a higher than expected population cap of 60,900 this year, BRC on Sunday announced the release of an extra 2,000 tickets this year.

Half of those were dumped into the Secure Ticket Exchange Program (STEP) system that BRC created for people who unsuccessfully sought tickets during the main sale of 40,000 tickets in January. To further deter scalpers, those who hadn't registered for that main sale – who are barred from buying through STEP – can try to snag one of the 1,000 tickets that BRC will offer during an online sale on Aug. 3, which requires registration on Aug. 1.

“We think the 1,000 tickets we put into the open sale will help pull the rug out from under the scalpers,” event founder Larry Harvey, who chairs the board, told us.

Harvey and Goodell also say BRC has been hard at work solving related issues as well, including concerns that the biggest ever population for this massive, isolated, temporary city in Nevada's Black Rock Desert – where waits to get on or off the playa during peak hours can be four hours or longer – will create traffic nightmares.

“More lanes will be open more often,” Goodell said, explaining they will beef up the number of volunteers helping to get people in and out, as well as those working the lines at Will Call, which all the STEP ticket buyers were forced to use as another anti-scalper measure.

The event traditionally opens at midnight on the Sunday night before Labor Day weekend (Aug. 26 this year), but those in the know have known it was actually possible to get in a few hours early during the last couple years. This year, BRC will formalize that arrangement to help with traffic ingress, officially opening the gates to all attendees at 6pm.

Goodell said BRC will also be coordinating with big art projects and doing communications efforts with all attendees encouraging people to stagger entrance and departure times as much as possible to spread out the peak and lessen wait times. “We really want participants to educate themselves and think about their expectations,” she said.

As an additional measure, BRC will be moving up the final official event of the week – the burning of the Temple on the last Sunday night (Sept. 2) – from 9 pm to dusk to facilitate more people hitting the road that night.

Both Goodell and Harvey acknowledged that it's been difficult to sort through the problems created by the huge demand for tickets this year, but they say that most of those who want tickets will have them and this should be a banner year in terms of the art and other offerings in this strange and bountiful experimental city.

“There were fears there would be less art this year, but there's going to be more art than ever before,” Harvey said. Asked which piece he's most excited to see this year, he said Yoga Robot by Colorado artist Scott Harris. To peruse some of the other art installations this year, click here to see check out art projects that got grants from BRC, which is only a small part of what attendees will see on the playa this year.

Comments

"...heed the culture's decommodification ethos and refuse to pay more than face value for tickets."

It's not a decommodification ethos, it's a decommodification myth.

bmorg just doesn't want other people to pluck their chickens.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:47 am

I am confident that you would feel differently if it was YOUR event, and YOUR people being exploited by others.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:12 am

Who the hell cares if the org makes money off of the event? $300 for an entire week of nonstop anything-at-all-that-your-heart-desires is a great price, considering the fact that some folks pay that much just for a couple of tickets to a concert. And it includes a massive physical space/accepting community/huge collaboration pool for any art or performance project that you can think of to try? Big bonus. If you can name any other event anywhere that offers the same benefits at the same scale (that is absolutely positively not being run by profiteering assholes), please feel free to share. Otherwise, quit whining: we heard you the first 1,000 times, thanks.

If you don't like what the event has become, don't go. But keep in mind that it's actually ok for you to just say that it's not your thing... you don't have to keep insisting that the only reason you're staying home is because someone is making money off of the tickets, or that you're positive that the only people who'd enjoy it are people you don't like. I may not know you, but I'm pretty sure even YOU aren't that shallow or naive.

Posted by Geez on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:52 am

Try a Rainbow Gathering. www.welcomehome.org . the National gathering only happens in the months surrounding july 4th but there may be some links to the also free regional gathering. The only people who make oney from the Gatherings are the cops who try and tag ppl for more than 75 people in a national forest without a permit. Those who facilitate the BM make tons of money don't be confused (not trying to put your experience down in any way). Peace! We love you.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 15, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

Try a Rainbow Gathering. www.welcomehome.org . the National gathering only happens in the months surrounding july 4th but there may be some links to the also free regional gathering. The only people who make oney from the Gatherings are the cops who try and tag ppl for more than 75 people in a national forest without a permit. Those who facilitate the BM make tons of money don't be confused (not trying to put your experience down in any way). Peace! We love you.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 15, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

Only the Burning Man organization is allowed to make extortionate profits from Burning Man tickets!

Club Med for hipsters!

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 6:20 am

Have you been? The Burning Man Organization is a NON-PROFIT. The proceeds from ticket sales go toward supporting the event, both present and future.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:13 am

BMORG LLC is a FOR PROFIT Nevada company. Do not confuse some of the other offshoots, the event we all just bought tickets too is NOT a non profit. There has been talk, but not much movement.

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=p3ChkiISUh%252b...

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:59 am

The event is transitioning over to the non-for-profit entity. Until now the IRS has never allowed a not-for-profit to exist that produces an event like Burning Man. If you knew the founders and board members you would know they are not wealthy, they drive beat up cars, and their headquarters are not plush and luxurious - far to the contrary. Once Burning Man is being produced by The Burning Man Project, I'm sure you and those like you will find some other straw man argument to hide behind on the internet. Regardless... see you on the playa, Hippie.

Posted by Rev. Zed on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:26 am

Umm, Apogaea is the Colorado Burn and it has been a non-profit for years.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:38 pm
Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:00 am

"The Burning Man Organization is a NON-PROFIT."

LOL. The President of Stanford University in 2008 got paid $702,711. Stanford is a "non-profit" too.

No, my hat's off to Larry Harvey - he is the P.T. Barnum of the late 20th century - designing an event that hipsters would pay hundreds of dollars for, in a desolate desert, with remarkably low costs. He deserves every dollar he's taken from Burning Man.

The greatest cosmic joke is that he managed to convince people that Burning Man had a "decommodification ethos" - it is supposed to be a gift exchange economy, but, of course, only after the extravagant ticket revenues have been received. After all, Burning Man **has** to charge hundreds of dollars - after all, doncha know that the BLM takes 5% of the gross? That's a huge cost!

As P.T. Barnum would have said, had he lived long enough, "There's a hipster born every minute."

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:03 am

Taken from: http://blog.burningman.com/tag/non-profit/

"People often assume that the Burning Man event already IS a non-profit, since that’s what one would logically think given our philosophical bent, but in fact it’s run by Black Rock City LLC, formed in 1997, after the highly-chaotic 1996 event clearly illustrated the need for an organization for the growing phenomenon of Burning Man. At the time, a Limited Liability Corporation made the most sense; the Burning Man event was a wild and wooly encampment of 8,000 people, and the organizers needed a way to legally organize that event’s management and to inure themselves from personal liability. But running the event as a private corporation didn’t always mesh well with the philosophy of the Burning Man experiment; it was, however, the right tool for the job at the time."

It says they intend to make a non-profit, but it has no come about yet. The current company is still a for-profit LLC.

Posted by UrWrong on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:06 am

That's a joke... or is this a post by Will Chase?? Come on Will Chase, the spokesperson for the BM Corporation. Why don't you check out your own numbers: http://afterburn.burningman.com/11/financial_chart.html

Over $7 Million in SALARIES. That's 70 people paid $100K/year... and there isn't 70 people year around in that office... it's more like 40. Maybe count the temporary workers during the summer... still that's a very big number. Especially in the light that back in 2004 BM Corp refused to pay their workers a decent wage. Rather they'd tell us: Look, you're having the time of your life, so shut up!

Now something else is strange. In 2009 they declared $2.8Million in SALARIES, then in 2010 that went up to $7.3Million. Can someone explain what as happened??
http://afterburn.burningman.com/09/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/10/financial_chart.html

That's really fishy. They didn't multiply their workforce by 2.5... so who's making the additional CASH???

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:36 am

Let's assume twenty percent of the increase is normal, marginal annual raises and modest new hiring as the event expands with additional outreach programs. That leaves 3.4 million. Even assuming this is just some rampant doubling of everyone's salaries, that is less than one sixth of the average ticket price. In other words, about fifty bucks, or $6.50 for each day of Burning Man goes to paying a little extra to ensure that the people who put on my favorite event of the year can live well.

Probably though, they just hired a BUNCH of extra people for the new outreach programs.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:24 am

Look at compensation in 2009 vs. 2010 and 2011. It went from $2.4M to $7M the same year they announced it was beginning the 3 year transition from for-profit to non-profit. The company is spending more than it could theoretically make on ticket sales by nearly $5M/year as well. It's easy to see what's going on here. The board is cashing out, and stripping all the money BM has built up over the years before it transitions to non-profit. About $15M to the board, plus whatever portion of the $2.4M/year was already their salaries.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm just saying this is what it is.

Posted by MShaman on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

A common misconception. They imply they are a non-profit. They act like a non-profit. They trick good people like you into thinking they are a non-profit.

But if they were a true non-profit, they would have a board. And that board could fire Larry. And would fire Larry.

And that is why they are not a non-profit. Right now Larry is trying to figger out how to be a non-profit and not get fired. He will fail. He will have to stack the board with his friends. And hope they don't turn on him.

He will lose. People pretend to be his friends, in hope of gaining power. But Larry is just surrounded by yes man/women. He is probably feeling very lonely about now.

But it's not too late for him to turn it around. He can be the good guy, get redemption in his 9th hour. He can simply give it away. He won't, but it's important to know that he can. So we can clearly define him as what he is: a villain.

chicken john

Posted by Chicken John on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:07 am

i'm pretty sure there is a board. and i am postive they havent fired Larry.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 16, 2012 @ 11:19 am

"To peruse some of the other art installations this year, click here to see check out art projects that got grants from BRC, which is only a small part of what attendees will see on the playa this year."

Attendees will see none of the art installations listed at that link, since it leads to the 2011 honoraria recipients. Here's the list for 2012: http://www.burningman.com/installations/art_honor.html

Posted by dawn on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 8:49 am

"To peruse some of the other art installations this year, click here to see check out art projects that got grants from BRC, which is only a small part of what attendees will see on the playa this year."

Attendees will see none of the art installations listed at that link, since it leads to the 2011 honoraria recipients. Here's the list for 2012: http://www.burningman.com/installations/art_honor.html

Posted by dawn on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 8:50 am

barrage of articles you will write about Burning Man between now and until it's over, laboring under the delusion, as you clearly do, that anyone really gives a crap about this tedious extravaganza of self-absorption and bad art?

News. It's not news.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:08 am

It's the most amazing event ever in the history of mankind, and the beginning of a new age.

Also, is Burning Man over yet?

Posted by Chromefields on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:13 am

Clearly, you are ill-educated about the Burning Man event, and the kind people who attend. Burning Man is an act of self-expression, not self-absorption. Rather, it is an opportunity to absorb others. RADICAL idea, I'm sure.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:16 am

All the weirdo's are gone.

Some of us can express ourselves without being covered in dust and smelling like an open sewer.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:43 am

How awesome is it to be able to speak so authoritatively on the basis on no direct knowledge of this thing? Woudln't it be grand if we all had your gift?

Tell us more about this dust, and how much hassle it has caused you in the past.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 1:18 pm

Burning Man is truly an act of self-absorption... How could you be blind to not see that when you go there. Everyone competing for who has the best costume. Burning Man is the epitome of ultra-individualism. Of course it's not 100% that way.. because nothing is black or white. There are groups of people that build art together, and that's pretty cool. But I've worked on many projects over the years, like the one that Dan Das Mann did in 2007, and even if it was a group thing... the atmosphere inside the group was to prove you were the best Burner, the more non-tourist, you had been there the most years, it was your piece of Art, you were barking it around the playa to every passerby. Dan Das Mann was representation of that ultra-individualism. Even David Best who is venerated out there, is all about himself, the proof is he can't give up and let someone else do the Temple instead of him.

Not all groups are like that, but the majority I've worked with. Opulent Temple is the worst, ultra-ego 200% all the time. It's disgusting. So Burning Man still has its pocket of communities, but the majority is all about me, me, me. That's it. The desert amplifies the culture back in the rest of the country where people come. America is all about who has the biggest muscles and Burning Man is not exempted of that, it's just to the image of the culture in which it was born. Larry Harvey is also a great example of this bullshit. He just can't retire, so someone new and young can finally bring some new ideas in this story that's starting to get old.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:47 am

you act as if everyone at this event behaves like all the names you're dropping (and I'm sure that irony didn't escape you in the context of your post).

If the egos are bothering you then step back from the major players and the feather and leathers, and I think you'll find most people don't give a crap about their own ego out there.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 1:22 pm

To speak to us this way tells me this is what you attract at burning man. It is fact that we humans create the reality we want to live in by becoming what we feel is righteous or the right way of living from within OURSELVES. We all have egos to tame. If you are around others that are so bothersome with their egos then simply distance yourself and do not mirror it. Most importantly don't contribute to it. There are no BOSSES at burning man but the cops who want to bust you for minor drug use. You choose how responsible, reliable or carefree you want to be.

"Individualism" is usually explained with misconception in these threads. It is interpreted as a "selfish" way. I rather see it as when you become fully and deep down yourself and BE the personality you want to see more of. Do not change self under any circumstances. No one can control you if you don't let them.

My question is why so many of you feel so compelled to judge. What is this judgment serve? You think you figured out the right way to live and bring people together in this way? Do you think you can do better?

IF SO, THEN DO IT. Otherwise say something that really matters.

Posted by stunami on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 10:05 am

The pressure from scalpers and inflated costs have been taken off of those connected to the Organization by direct distributed of tickets, straight to the chosen. This article then takes the pressure of responsibility off of them for the sell-out and scalpers, the dis-jointed and cancelled and addition ticket sales. That takes care of that, everything is coming up roses now.

But I got in the lottory, and was awarded no ticket, I managed to get on the STEP list, still no ticket yet. So the pressure from scalpers is taken off the cats with tickets, no doubt, but I'm not feeling it. Still have no ticket. I did what was told and have no ticket.

Let me check on Stubhub and see if there is any for sale. Don't know a solution, but not sure the folks who designed it have now solved the issue, as implied. Once I check Stubhub for a ticket, I'll know.

Posted by Lonesome on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:14 am

In an essence they really didn't do anything to deter scalping. Merely making a statement:
"I don't think any burner should buy a ticket for above face value,” Marian Goodell, the BRC board member who handles communications.

There are still going to be hundreds, if not thousands of tickets up for grabs on various scalping/broker sites and ebay - there is nothing they can do about that. Their alternative approach to making sure the rest of the tickets get into Burners hands is just a poor attempt at cleaning up a ticket mess that they created themselves.

Welcome to the times people.... Burners... hipsters....festival goers. Bands like Phish & Pearl Jam have been dealing with this ticketing scenario for years already - there's nothing worse than fans.. or Burners in this case, who seem to have a sense of entitlement that it's "their" festival and they deserve to privilege have tickets over anyone else.

it's unfortunate that the scalping/broker scene has become what it is, but it's here to stay - blame Burning Man for not having the foresight to predict this scenario. It shocks me that the powers that be screwed this one up this bad - perhaps too much time on the playa has had an ever lasting effect.

There are plenty of creative and effective ways to deter scalping, shame on the Organizers for not having the wherewithal to do their homework.

Posted by lazylightenin on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 9:40 am

Surprisingly, just as the prices on StubHub and eBay started to climb down, BM has announced that it got permission to sell more tickets. Giving just enough time for "scalpers" to sell at maximum price. Also surprisingly, nothing on the fact that they were in the process of obtaining this increased population permit so that people would hold off on paying double. Well you don't expect BM to sell *all* tickets at below market price did you? Where there's money to be made, there will be money made. They should just do it through their site though, make it more transparent, just make a few extra tiers per 2k tickets, $400, $500, $600, $700 will pretty much avoid "scalping"

Posted by cynic on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:13 am

This Burning Man festival sounds interesting. I'm intrigued. Tell me, Steven T. Jones, can you recommend a book on the subject, one that I could purchase with my cash money that could generate income to an author?

Posted by JV on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:57 am
Posted by Guest on Jul. 14, 2012 @ 11:36 pm

Horseshit. This article is horseshit. The scalpers are going to make bank this year. Just because Larrys says something certainly does not make it true. On the contrary, he has been the most consistant liar I have ever met. He has no idea how many tickets the scalpers have. And who are these scalpers anyway? They are your friends and community members, who just wanna make a buck.

Why is that so bad? Why can only Marion and Larry make millions off this event? What the fuck does the cost of the ticket have to do with this imaginary ethos that they keep talking about that simply does not exist? Its' simple supply and demand. They are inept, keep proving it and we the community keep paying for their mistakes.

We are rich. We don't care how much the ticket is. People spend tens of thousands of dollars on their camps. Who cares if the ticket is $400 or $800? Not me or anyone else I know.

Fact: they didn't know this shitstorm would happen.
Fact: any other person on Earth would have.

Fact: they are idiots.

Fact: tickets are held by scalpers today.

Fact: you can buy a ticket to BM for $800 today.

Fact:there are going to be more new people this year then any other year

Fact: there will be less art

Fact: everything Larry says in this article is spin and damage control.

Fact: Larry will say anything to push his agenda

Fact: I have nothing to gain and do not have an agenda except to serve my community

Fact: BM can only stop scalping by becoming a members only club.

Fact: People like Steven are desperate for Larry and Marion to respect him and respect his opinion. He wants to beleive that they are good. He wants to beleive they wish to do the right thing.

Fact: Marion and Larry care nothing for anyone but themselves. They will lie, cheat, back stab and throw anyone under the bus for any reason that suits them or for no reason at all.

Fact: After 2 decades of saying that BM wasn't a commondity, they are talking about selling it right now to us. Selling it. They want cash. Big money. I'm thinking 2 million for each of the 6 on the board. That's 12 million bucks. They will not release thier strangle hold on the event until they have their money. Or after, likely.

my question is if we gave them more, would they leave faster? How much money would it take for you guys to leave today? Because we can do a kickstarter and give you your money and we can get on with being the most awesome community that have ever existsed in the history of mankind, since you don't want to be a part of awesomeness and just want to be petty, smallminded liars telling us that scalpers don't have any tickets when tickets are being sold TODAY by sclapers.

I don't know how, but somehow the truth will previal. Somehow people will find out the truth. It could even be here, in Steven's blog... stranger things have happened. But we know from experience that the truth will come out. And it's not pretty.

This community needs a revolution. It's needed one for some time. I can't beleive that we are going to pay $12 million dollars for the right to order porta-potties. Beause that's all the LLC really do when it comes down to it. Larry and Marion deal with poop and garbage. They try to make it sound more then that, but that's all the BLM really cares about. The rest of the stuff is all extra.

Beleive nothing that anyone says. Do your own research....

there are 313 tickets for sale on stubhub today:

http://www.stubhub.com/burning-man-festival-tickets/burning-man-8-27-201...

Larry is fucking liar. Thousands of tickets are in the hands of scalpers. I know a bunch of people who have already bought tickets at higher rates. So does he. But he will lie, and tell you that everything is fine. And it is kinda fine. Because there are enough rich people who want to go to the event that can pay. But it's not going to be the same event. And I wouldn't be surprised if someone on the inside is the biggest scalper. I don't think it's the LLC... they are not motivated by money like that. Not smart enough. but the truth will come out.

One last fact: we first talked to larry about making BM a private memebers only club in 1997. In responce to the police activity. Private gatherings aren't subject to the public heath laws and other laws.

With no constitution and only a flimsy set of principles (which are actually just bloated opinions) and no voting rights, REI and AAA are more proressive companies then BM.

Imagine what this community could do if we had a visionary leader instead of Marion and Larry... my heart swells with pride....

chicken john

Posted by Chicken John on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:00 am

You are one of the few people that calls it as it was/is.

Posted by Hope on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

As always, Chicken Moron is busy casting stones, but offers no solution.
What would you have done differently, Chickkin John?

Posted by Guest on Jul. 14, 2012 @ 4:44 am

whos gives a fuck whats profit or non-profit, its a fuckin good time and im happy to go

Posted by Guest alex on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:26 am

Amen brother!

I met my beautiful wife there and we just had our 5th wedding anniversary- 7/7/07!

Everything costs something right? Enjoy the ride or just stay home and complain about who's getting paid...

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 10:16 pm

I don't see how making BM members only encourages inclusiveness. You can probably go make your own club and order your own portapotties somewhere else.... whats stopping you, Chicken John? You make some decent points, but then you go way too far and blow your entire thesis to hell, and your credibility with it. But, based on what I've seen out of you in the past, that may just be your MO. Don't you have some Dolores park vendors to complain about?

The tickets were fucked up this year, anyone who has taken high school level economics and/or psychology could see that coming. The lack of communication has only made things about a million times worse; the org should be stepping up, owning this, and telling people what is going on, but they can't even mail hard tickets at a decent rate. Their PR machine is a joke, seriously... one JRS every six weeks during an unbelievably FUBAR situation? They must be taking lessons from the federal government. If Will Chase isn't a volunteer he is being paid about 100% too much, as his work serves only to devalue the company for which he works. The most recent example are the 1000 tickets supposedly dumped into STEP; did that happen? The response doesn't seem to indicate it did, the timestamp queue has only moved about 30 seconds, but they supposedly don't have the ability to monitor the number of tickets sold. How that is possible in the 21st century in the most technologically advanced place on earth (San Francisco) where one could literally pick random programmers off the street to do a better job boggles the mind.

Posted by Motherfucker on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:36 am

I don't see how making BM members only encourages inclusiveness. You can probably go make your own club and order your own portapotties somewhere else.... whats stopping you, Chicken John? You make some decent points, but then you go way too far and blow your entire thesis to hell, and your credibility with it. But, based on what I've seen out of you in the past, that may just be your MO. Don't you have some Dolores park vendors to complain about?

The tickets were fucked up this year, anyone who has taken high school level economics and/or psychology could see that coming. The lack of communication has only made things about a million times worse; the org should be stepping up, owning this, and telling people what is going on, but they can't even mail hard tickets at a decent rate. Their PR machine is a joke, seriously... one JRS every six weeks during an unbelievably FUBAR situation? They must be taking lessons from the federal government. If Will Chase isn't a volunteer he is being paid about 100% too much, as his work serves only to devalue the company for which he works. The most recent example are the 1000 tickets supposedly dumped into STEP; did that happen? The response doesn't seem to indicate it did, the timestamp queue has only moved about 30 seconds, but they supposedly don't have the ability to monitor the number of tickets sold. How that is possible in the 21st century in the most technologically advanced place on earth (San Francisco) where one could literally pick random programmers off the street to do a better job boggles the mind.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:37 am

Sure, I could go start my own event. And yea, you have to talk hard to get anyone to listen. But you agree with what I say, you just don't agree with how I say it. And I have to blow any credability I have so what I'm saying isn't a power grab.

But you know what I say is the truth. And that's all that counts.

They will just try to weather this storm. And they will. Because we will let them. Because we are weak.

chicken

Posted by Chicken John on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 11:50 am

You've been saying the same shit for over 10 years, Chicken John. Christ, man, let it go. You've got your Ephmerisle thing going, that's pretty cool. As for Burning Man, the event itself is still amazing. Bigger, but amazing.

Posted by JV on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

fact: burning man is sooo disorginized it's stupid
fact: they should send me my ticket before trying to sell anymore
fact: I'm bringing my own shitter
fact: burning man should just stop pretending to be more ideal than Jesus Christ

Posted by Chicken Fucker on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

gggggggggggggg

Posted by ChickenFucker on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

On the matter of scalpers, compare Burning Man with something like a Madonna show. 313 tickets on StubHub, out of 50K? That's minuscule, man. I don't think anyone ever said that NO scalpers would get tickets. You deal in absolutes, oh Chicken one. Life ain't like that.

Posted by JV on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

313 tickets on one site. The smart scalpers are holding on for another month. It my estimation that over 20,000 tickets are held by scalpers.

I've been perfecting my rant for 16 years. It's almost perfect!!!!

chicken

Posted by Chicken John on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

I believe your wrong. Scalpers won't wait a month. In one month, the price of those tickets will go down, because everyone willing to pay big bucks (the people that need planning,) will already have their tickets. In the last week, the price of tickets will fall below face value. Would you rather make 200$ off a 390$ ticket, or diddly squat? If you need a ticket, hold out until the last week, unless your able to find one for face value prior (which there are plenty of.)

See you all on the playa!

Posted by Rem on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

U sir, do not have a clue as to what u are talking about.

Posted by Hippycritz on Jul. 14, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

On December 1, 2012 sell 58,000 tickets, all at the same price, all first come first served, all non-transferable, all of which can be sold back to STEP at face value minus charges. No more scalpers, no more art-camps-are-real-and-you're-not, no more waiting till August to know if you're going to Burning Man.

The arguments against non-transferable tickets are mostly personal mythology. C'mon, how many people make it to the playa across how many miles without any valid form of ID? How much time will it really add to entrance and is there really no way to mitigate that with assigned entry times, additional greeters, or extra will-call stations in Reno?

I respect that putting on Burning Man is exhausting, but could you please be planning NOW for a 2013 solution rather than waiting for a few months after the burn?

Lastly, it does rub the wrong way to hear BMORG say all is well. Like others, I went through every lottery and STEP and got no ticket. "Most who want tickets will have them." Cool. Send me mine, please.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

Good idea. You can get around the queue/ID problem by letting people pickup tickets in Reno or Gerlach (closer to the gate is better) before getting to the playa. That would make it HARD for people to flip tickets (since they'd have to come in person),

It's NECESSARY to allow transfers, due to life, etc. but scalpers could be limited by limiting the number of tickets on each name/credit card.

Oh and raise prices, of course.

(I'm an economist -- and Burner -- who specializes in market design :)

Posted by David Zetland on Jul. 15, 2012 @ 5:50 am